I got a close-knit group of guys back out west
You know that some have done better than others
I got you asking me what it is that holds us together
I said the blanket takes the shape that it covers
<pull-quote>Interpretation—as New Criticism made fashionable during the last century—is as important as the artifact itself<pull-quote>
<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>Are you confusing New Criticism with Reader-Response Theory?<p-comment>
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<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>I understand New Criticism as the move away from all backstory and biography and history and politics and extratextual info. Which says all we have is the work itself (very Wuck), and therefore our experience with it on its own terms, and interpretation, is everything.<p-comment>
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<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>New Criticism posits that the text exists in a vacuum, that it should teach its reader everything he needs to know, and that it should lead him to the "right" interpretation.<p-comment>
<p-comment>Reader-Response also urges interpretation from the reader but a much more subjective interpretation, especially one unconcerned with popular trends or the author's intent.<p-comment>
<p-comment>A huge divide: New Critics would argue that a best interpretation of a text exists; Reader-Response Theorists would be more excited by a host of possible and interesting interpretations.<p-comment>
<p-comment>What you've provided above is like a Reader Response interpretation of New Criticism.<p-comment>
<p-comment>I like to imagine a round table of interpretations sitting down for dinner and conversation.<p-comment>
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<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>This is nice, Professor Murph. Very helpful.<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>third strike<pull-quote>
<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>Robot umps forever.<p-comment>
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<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>Never thought of umps as cops.<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>losing myself in the text history<pull-quote>
<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>did you feel a part of you betrayed lulo’s in reading through those texts?<p-comment>
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<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>Of course. At first. But that slight hesitation disappeared when I saw open threats of violence and abuse happening. You’d feel bad peeking in on someone’s marital privacy, through a window. You’d feel outraged seeing a husband beat his partner repeatedly. Feel the difference?<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>“I know chris.”<pull-quote>
<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>This last paragraph makes me wants to put my fist through the laptop.<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>forced her to dump Gavin<pull-quote>
<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>could you speak to what their relationship was like prior to this affair?<p-comment>
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<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>Childhood friends, lifetime buds, back in new romance for several months just before she came to us.<p-comment>
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<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>Ouch.<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>a date when I could really talk with Lulo<pull-quote>
<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>interesting how talking with lulo is the most pressing move here for you.<p-comment>
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<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>As opposed to?<p-comment>
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<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>Telling the board posthaste.<p-comment>
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<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>Ah.<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>I knew, at least, that I couldn’t cancel on my dad<pull-quote>
<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>i love how this is off the table.<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>what trust I had left with Lulo<pull-quote>
<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>was there even any there to save?<p-comment>
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<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>I thought there was much to save.<p-comment>
<p-comment>When Jesus returns to visit Peter, who fucked up big time, who's hiding in fear and shame--it's one of my favorite stories in scripture. One I read in discussion with scores of groups of men in jail, prison, juvie, who have known fuckups and shame. The only difference between Judas and Peter is Judas gave up on himself--despair, suicide--before Jesus got back from the grave. I imagine Jesus' visit to Judas being much like his visit to Peter. And Judas would have been possibly an even more transformed apostle of love. <p-comment>
<p-comment>I hoped Lulo would go through a similar harrowing and possible repentance that could pass both our stories through the cross, grave, and come back to life, maybe, with greater spiritual shape. In the end, Lulo has still refused this invitation. <p-comment>
<p-comment>I know well the psychology of Orthodox understandings of hell: that Christ wants all, that Divine Love reaches out to all, infinitely, but that some still say no and burn inside their own bullshit, refusing to accept the offer out. Dostoevsky got this. So did Merton. And Flannery. I had to see it to believe it.<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>murph? thoughts on the above? on this invitation through the cross and the grave?<p-comment>
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<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>That my good friend Chris Hoke believes that Judas could have been redeemed to a position beyond even Peter is very on brand.<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>next eight months<pull-quote>
<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>I remember us all at the beach house for Koontz's 40th birthday. There's a crappy video of us in the great room watching Kershaw close out the seventh game of the NLCS. I've thought many times how you're the only glaring omission from that pixelated memento of our celebration.<p-comment>
<p-comment>Christ, what were you going through that October evening?<p-comment>
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<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>Gimme the date.<p-comment>
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<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>10-20-18<p-comment>
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<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>I actually remember that date well: it was a guy named Cruz's release day, and I was walking along the beach with him, trying to help him breathe deeply and soak in the quiet after years in prison. I acted calm, helping him practice stillness as we looked out upon the water. Inside I was raging.<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>other than Lulo, calling me from solitary confinement<pull-quote>
<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>He was probably faking it--just laying the first bricks of his elaborately duplicitous cathedral.<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>i disagree. his endgame is no cathedral, his means signal no grand design. that’s his problem. the sincerity of his expression in the moments hoke describes is exactly what allows for such duplicity. he’s no evil mastermind, he’s a just a man, which is much worse.<p-comment>
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<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>Wow. You really are losing your touch for sarcasm.<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>fml<p-comment>
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<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>I think this has been my favorite exchange between you two this entire project.<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>glad someone’s enjoying himself.<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>that a handful of the guys were flying home early<pull-quote>
<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>I don't remember this wrinkle.<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>apocalypse<pull-quote>
<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>This is well said. But, Christ, are you ever an easy mark, bro.<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>side of a barn.<p-comment>
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<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>I guess that sums up this whole dumb story with Lulo.<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>well, i don’t think it’s not part of the story, but if i were to play your part? i'd want to do more research.<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>well<pull-quote>
<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>Gosh, I don't know. This is such a rose-colored reader-response.<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>indeed. top of the list of why they—murph and i didn’t really have anything to do with it—got you so good is not how intimately they knew you. if anything, they were surprised by the earnestness you brought to the task of deflating their pseudo-bravado.<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>There is a gift in being lampooned well, to have your friends know you better than you know yourself<pull-quote>
<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>Do friends do this to each other at their most vulnerable? It seems like a gross alpha-move to me still.<p-comment>
<p-comment>Is it possible that you've got a bit of Stockholm syndrome here?<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>before<pull-quote>
<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>I love you, bud. This is so well executed here. But if you think my love for you is anything like any of this, you've misread it.<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>i can’t imagine you’d be able to sit down to pancakes and said celebrations for quite a long time, if ever, were this to be the case.<p-comment>
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<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>Yeah, this paragraph is an irrational hope that, similar to the cabin experience, the nightmare would suddenly, magically, be dissolved. I'd wake up. I'm not thinking through the implications of what cruelty would be behind such a scenario, of course.<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>resisting arrest<pull-quote>
<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>unless you’re a serious criminal and getting captured means your demise, like, don't resist arrest, no?<p-comment>
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<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>That’s a virgin, untraumatized brain talking. <p-comment>
<p-comment>Watch the video, buddy. I'll email you the link right now.<p-comment>
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