<pull-quote>costco pies balanced on her forearms<pull-quote>
<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>Are you telling me Debbie Webber doesn't bake her own pies?<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>effective admonition<pull-quote>
<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>What made them effective? What was the threat? Why did you buy it?<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>tone of voice. a sternness. we’d get spanked on the rare occasion, so it’s possible that loomed in the air.<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>he finally concedes a few inches<pull-quote>
<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>Point, Debbie.<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>ha. poor grandma debbie. facetime on the phone is all debbie gets these days. kids, grandma’s on the phone, come say hi, rebecca shouts. which grandma? emily barks from the background. the one that makes us wash our hands all the time and always brush our teeth? hilarious. she really misses mom, my sister tells me.<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>i take the comforter away. there are plenty of other blankets<pull-quote>
<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>Laughing so hard here. Holy fuck, are you crotchety.<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>rebecca’s father<pull-quote>
<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>I always forget you two are half siblings.<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>camarillo<pull-quote>
<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>That's by Paul's farm, right?<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>yeah. just 15 minutes or so south.<p-comment>
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<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>Look at you go, Hoke!<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>these must have been nice breaks for our folks too<pull-quote>
<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>I'm giddy even imagining such a time.<p-comment>
<p-comment>I remember staying the night at Tom's house--this was not something I enjoyed doing until junior high--and faking a stomachache to have my parents pick me up.<p-comment>
<p-comment>When they didn't answer at home, I was baffled. My parents don't go out, I told Mr. Capossela earnestly.<p-comment>
<p-comment>They were indeed at the movies: Dead Poets Society.<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>tom and i did pretty good no matter which house we were at, but i preferred going over there, of course. although, i can imagine if your house was an option, it would’ve won hands down.<p-comment>
<p-comment>when a smell takes me back, 9 times out of 10, it takes me to tom's house.<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>town<pull-quote>
<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>This is heady starter dough. I'll understand when you too retire to such a place.<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>oh lordy. can i now? i love new york, but not when you’re out of work during a pandemic.<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>grandpa<pull-quote>
<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>How much shit would Debbie have given Anthony if HIS parents had granted you such mind-boggling freedom?<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>yeah, it’s possible. don and una went to church with us, so i saw them on the regular. they were pretty low key folk. best things about their house: american cheese, sunny d, and a big-ol’ set off lincoln logs. oh, and una’s fruit jams. although, we always had those at our place; she kept us well-stocked.<p-comment>
<p-comment>by fruit jams, i mean sick beats. yo! those jams is fruit, sunny d!<p-comment>
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<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>lol<p-comment>
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<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>Also, no American cheese at the Webber's?! No grilled cheese sandwiches? No cheeseburgers? And, no, you can't have those things without American cheese.<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>all cheddar and mozzarella.<p-comment>
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<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>American cheese was something to flee and grow out of, for me. Interesting that you longed for such a cheese.<p-comment>
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<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>Don't get me wrong, cheddar and mozzarella are extraordinary cheeses with many delicious applications, but a systemic ban of American cheese seems seems downright, well, un-American. I hope Una plied you with grilled cheese sandwiches on butter-fried white bread during these visits.<p-comment>
<p-comment>I also hope, Hoke, that you have rehabilitated yourself to enjoying American cheese in its proper place. I remember, for instance, your diatribe against shitty deli sandwiches--decidedly not American cheese's proper place.<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>the american cheese on the five guys and the shake shake burgers is for me a highlight.<p-comment>
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<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>Amen. Any other cheese on a burger means other uncommon toppings, as well. Pepper Jack? Guac and Aioli. Cheddar? Fried onions, BBQ sauce, and Bacon. Swiss? Sauteed mushrooms. Blue Cheese? Steak sauce. Umami Truffle Cheese? Umami Truffle glaze.<p-comment>
<p-comment>God bless all these burgers. But "cheeseburgers" they are not.<p-comment>
<p-comment>You get the idea.<p-comment>
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<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>Well argued, both of you. I actually never thought of cheeseburger cheese as American. There, yes, it is perfection. Deli sandwiches, no.<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>semi-automatics<pull-quote>
<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>As I read this, I am setting down the phone between water pistol shootouts with Abram on the lake house dock here. I’m conflicted about introducing guns and shooting people as a normal thing.<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>if there ain’t a train or a cowboy<pull-quote>
<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>It’s hard to think of those two icons as innocent parts of the American west scenery, the childhood stories we received in toys and cartoons, any longer. I feel like white America is having a long overdue return to shared memory. That is, not just the white man’s stories, but a shared memory with the rest of nonwhite America: like, where those images are still the hardware and front guard of a pretty terrifying occupation, genocide, and hunting down any local resistance. I know it’s a Debbie Downer move to pull here, but the personal memory we are excavating as friends this summer feels parallel to the larger memory work our culture is doing. For some it’s cathartic and needed, for others, annoying and threatening.<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>i enjoy the economy of the imagery combined with the harshness of the terrain—how everything one owns can be packed up and strapped atop the back of a horse—the cleanliness of narrative, singular objects with clear uses: the tin coffee mug, the tin plate, the gun, the boots, the saddle, the hat. in this age of the buffet, i think we all long for this economy in one way or another.<p-comment>
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<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>This contrasts sharply with Proust's layered and long-winded brand of modernism. But what would you expect from a person who never had to worry about surviving, whose very existence was always comfy if not decadent (MORDERNism, after all).<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>i remember returning to look at its tiny body throughout our stay, horrified by maggots that eventually filled its hallowed chest<pull-quote>
<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>Still wrapping my brain around Wuck, of all my friends, having a working knowledge of firearms.<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>let us go to it<pull-quote>
<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>I can see Debbie rushing back from the kitchen with a melonballer, napkins, and great big bowl, a bit deflated. I know she wasn't there. But I still can see it.<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>hahaha. indeed. she’d pass ‘round the napkins, bare minimum. then seeing we’re using our hands, head back in for backups.<p-comment>
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<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>Did you spend much time with Debbie Webber, Murph? You seem to have internalized her anxiety, responses, and very presence.<p-comment>
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<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>I try to keep Henry James's advice to would-be storytellers always in mind: “Try to be one of the people on whom nothing is lost!”<p-comment>
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<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>You'd make old Henry proud.<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>grandpa asked us around the campfire<pull-quote>
<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>Suddenly Dave Velasco's stories of you from childhood sleepovers make more sense.<p-comment>
<p-comment>Next time you're in town, Hoke, ask him to tell you the one about Wee Wuck and Late-Night Cinemax: "Enough of these titties! I want bush!"<p-comment>
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<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>Like the sound of cracking open a can of coke: unleashing the repressed desire of an evangelical kid. Always lovely.<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>matt and aaron and i sure were bummed<pull-quote>
<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>How many summers did you get? How long each time?<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>for sure 3, possibly 4? the first trip was with the fam--with mom, dad, and rebecca--and at least two other trips were with the boys. couple weeks maybe?<p-comment>
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<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>Sounds like a kind of heaven, bud.<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>in 2004<pull-quote>
<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>This would have been a month or so after I quit my first long-term subbing gig--right in the middle of teaching CATCHER IN THE RYE to sophomores, I think.<p-comment>
<p-comment>There's a picture of all of us dancing from the back of Kristen's VW Cabriolet in the parking lot behind The Sunrise Café on New Year's Day from this holiday season, I'm pretty sure.<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>find it!<p-comment>
<p-comment>is it the holding of the timeline or the fitting of memories like so many jigsaw puzzle pieces into it that’s so satisfying? a perfect relationship of ideas for the starter/recipe metaphor, i would think.<p-comment>
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<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>The simultaneity of it all is what does it for me, so the jigsaw, I think, more than the greater expanding timeline.<p-comment>
<p-comment>I sent you both a brief video of my skate tonight; I caught myself thinking about where you each were at that late hour--asleep, no doubt: Hoke in a strange bedroom in Idaho, you at home in Brooklyn, relegated to a sliver of the bed beside your sprawling, pregnant wife.<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>what a perfect little clip! your shadow emerging into frame as you pass through the glow of the streetlights above, then dissolving away into the pavement ahead—the painted speed limit of 35 signaling well enough your age.<p-comment>
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<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>Someone with more technical acumen than I might be able to turn it into a pleasant little loop.<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>for sure. although i might prefer the desire to re-hit play.<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>i couldn’t believe my luck<pull-quote>
<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>How fast your tastes evolved after this! Card-carrying bush man, after all.<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>if you're again referring to a young dave velasco and me finding bush on matthew isa's parents' cinemax subscription, i cannot confirm the story.<p-comment>
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<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>You serious, Clark?<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>anthony did it right<pull-quote>
<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>I'd expect nothing less.<p-comment>
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<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>Your appreciation for your father's thoughtfulness and thoroughness is really moving, Wuck. To me, at least. Murph’s shared appreciation makes it even warmer.<p-comment>
<pull-quote>east of eden<pull-quote>
<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>What year would that make it?<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>sophomore, i would think. might have been the summer instead of the winter holiday. there was one drive to sun city that included either picking me up or dropping me off at lake havasu.<p-comment>
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<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>The only time I was in Havasu with you was Spring Break senior year. <p-comment>
<p-comment>Hoke and I drove back with Grapey. He was driving so slowly on the way there that we made him get out to let Hoke drive. As I was already sitting shotgun, he got in the back. On the way home, he didn't even object, just got right in the backseat from the get-go.<p-comment>
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<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>That's right, cuz you didn't have your license yet. Man I love that memory: "That's it, Grapey, Hoke's driving. You sit in back of your own car. Let's roll."<p-comment>
<pull-quote>no other reason for me to be in times square in the middle of the afternoon<pull-quote>
<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>You never just get that crazy urge for a slice of Sbarro?<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>nah. the midtown chains survive on you folks.<p-comment>
<p-comment>it’s hard to imagine even a nostalgia-lover like yourself ever getting that urge after living in new york for any length of time. if it was round table, i could see it, but sbarro?<p-comment>
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<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>Like, wow, Hoke.<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>have i insulted a sbarro fidelity? or forget one i used to declaim?<p-comment>
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<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>To think I thought too highly of you to go with Bubba Gump Shrimp.<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>hoke voodoo me his gullibility?<p-comment>
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<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>Maybe it's more like a tragic infectious disease than voodoo, Wuck.<p-comment>
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<pull-quote>fruity pebbles or lucky charms<pull-quote>
<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>Oh man, do I love me some sugar cereal.<p-comment>
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<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>Bro, "sugar cereal?" Weaponized conservative rhetoric is what that is.<p-comment>
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<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>That's what our family called it, and I stand by the genre name. Sugar cereal: as opposed to the standard or healthy kinds. Sugar cereal is indulgent, straight-up delights floating in a bowl.<p-comment>
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<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>If sugar were people, you’d have sex with the ones your family employs for minimum wage at their morals factory then pass legislation making it harder for them to vote. You have some serious work to do with your attitude toward sugar.<p-comment>
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<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>My attitude? I love not only sugar but especially sugar cereal! I'd take two bowls of Cinnamon Toast Crunch or Cocoa Pebbles over any dessert. Cake? Pie? No thanks, you got some Lucky Charms? That's my adoring attitude toward sugar cereal.<p-comment>
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<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>All I’m saying is that if you examined the culture from which this term emerged, you’d no longer use it.<p-comment>
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<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>I can't tell if you're being serious or not.<p-comment>
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<avatar-wuck><avatar-wuck><author-name>Wuck<author-name>
<p-comment>i hear your argument, murph, but i sense a sort of falstaffian, life-loving embrace of pleasure in hoke’s use of the term.<p-comment>
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<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>I don’t disagree. Nor do I question his intent, just his unthinking use of a term he admits is inherited. I bet 99 out of 100 people who use the term “sugar cereal” are voting for Trump in November.<p-comment>
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<avatar-hoke><avatar-hoke><author-name>Hoke<author-name>
<p-comment>Fine. Change it to "candy cereal." Or some families call it "Saturday cereal." They all work for me. The point is to celebrate the special stuff that packs childhood joy.<p-comment>
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<avatar-murph><avatar-murph><author-name>Murph<author-name>
<p-comment>If you start calling it “candy cereal,” we aren’t friends anymore.<p-comment>
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